tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post3477325395110659959..comments2023-10-30T04:35:48.392-04:00Comments on Amrit Wadhwa: Babri Mosque Ram Janam-bhoomi SolutionAmrithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16023510703283897521noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-14334883026936832852010-10-04T12:51:18.639-04:002010-10-04T12:51:18.639-04:00really gud one..
Keepp it up....
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Class...really gud one..<br />Keepp it up....<br />!<br />---------<br />Classy gal<br />http://lavenderlawn.blogspot.com/Classygalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18318744284842283847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-11509470861834844982010-10-02T19:23:44.714-04:002010-10-02T19:23:44.714-04:00A-
You hit the nail right on the head by saying t...A- <br />You hit the nail right on the head by saying that we need to start somewhere. <br />I am praying that this verdict is that "somewhere." <br /><br />I truly feel India has matured (yes, even after witnessing this Commonwealth Games travesty) and I am glad that we're in a place where these issues can be handled in a public forum without bloodshed. <br /><br />You're welcome, I sincerely meant what I said. <br /><br />I haven't gotten a chance to read each of your posts, but I would love you see you do a post on what it means to be a secular Hindu. For a lot of people in my generation (I'm in my early twenties) it seems to be almost a dichotomy with them often shedding one stance for another. I'd love to see what you and your readers think. <br /><br />Thank you.Deviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11759769602370396680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-74557119751481781722010-10-02T17:59:51.984-04:002010-10-02T17:59:51.984-04:00Devie,
I see your point on equality of spots. But...Devie,<br /><br />I see your point on equality of spots. But to reach an agreement we have to start somewhere.<br /><br />Yes, I am actually very happy with the way a common person has reacted to the verdict. 26 Nov terror attack did not create any riots either.<br /><br />What does it tell? A common man is not interested in riots...they are organized b....<br /><br />Thank you the compliment. I mean it.Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023510703283897521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-28314752545528092182010-10-02T16:33:48.079-04:002010-10-02T16:33:48.079-04:00A,
I think it's illogical to say some pilgrim...A, <br />I think it's illogical to say some pilgrimage spots are more important than others. It depends on what school of Hinduism you belong to. The people fighting for this obviously believe Lord Rama to be God, so it's value according to their faith is different from yours. And thus I feel that your bias prevents you from thinking like them. <br />As far as the history is concerned, I feel since the Muslims have prayed there for so long regardless of whether the spot is holy for them or not it symbolizes something to them. They deserve to pray there too. <br /><br />I am pretty satisfied with the verdict, but not the **** stirring that has followed it. Very proud to be Indian after witnessing the equanimity maintained by the aam janta. <br /><br />I'd also like to add that your views on religion and society are very noble, and it's great to see people like you out there.Deviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11759769602370396680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-18650384093517594472010-09-30T19:02:02.007-04:002010-09-30T19:02:02.007-04:00Dear All:-
The verdict is out and people are calm...Dear All:-<br /><br />The verdict is out and people are calm. Government managed to maintain peace. May be PM’s and Home Minister’s appeals helped. Or just improved security helped. But in any case no drama before CWG. We should be happy about it. <br /><br />@BK Chowla: People will accept. We can see it today. Verdict is out but people are clam. It seems like business like usual for them. Of course lawyer will appeal as expect. <br /><br />@Punam:- Thanks. It is always good for bloggers when they are appreciated.<br /><br />@Emily:- Thank you. It is one of those religious issues. It is not as complicated as it seems. It is going on for decades.<br /><br />@NRIGirl:-Bik translated Panjabi to English. We know you are very Indian. I think Indian culture is beyond language barriers.<br /><br />@Raji:- Yes. It is Panjabi.<br /><br />@Ria:- Yes. Verdict is out. I don’t think it matters what a common man thinks. But both parties are saying that will appeal. Let us see.<br /><br />@Black Walnut Pearl:- Thank you for encouragement.Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023510703283897521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-65881918382238211712010-09-30T16:12:53.912-04:002010-09-30T16:12:53.912-04:00A, Hats off to your ideas. Completely agree with t...A, Hats off to your ideas. Completely agree with these.Black Walnut Pearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067182966759460744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-673287998441489502010-09-30T12:25:02.510-04:002010-09-30T12:25:02.510-04:00Well the verdict is out and i feel it is pretty ba...Well the verdict is out and i feel it is pretty balanced, lets see what happens.Riàhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522045043501343739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-55803894811810928082010-09-30T11:50:56.477-04:002010-09-30T11:50:56.477-04:00@ nri gal ,hey its more of punjabi than our nation...@ nri gal ,hey its more of punjabi than our national language.the poem was in pakka punjabi.rajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095103429113436115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-14364872890758519692010-09-30T10:47:40.463-04:002010-09-30T10:47:40.463-04:00Wow! @Bikramjit! Thank you so much for the efforts...Wow! @Bikramjit! Thank you so much for the efforts in translating it for the rest of us - who don't know the national language, yet very much an Indian...<br /><br />I should say it is an interesting poem with a light hearted look...<br /><br />And @A looks like, you just opened another flood gates, it keeps pouring...NRIGirlhttp://hephzibahisrael.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-56115285215836241542010-09-30T06:14:12.466-04:002010-09-30T06:14:12.466-04:00Ah, one of those cases that never ends... Your id...Ah, one of those cases that never ends... Your idea is an interesting and good one, and for that reason I'm sure it won't happen. It seems to me that religion is responsible for a lot of the problems in the world.Emily, Ruby Slipper Journeyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071938485961109157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-13585778246867990782010-09-30T02:20:45.279-04:002010-09-30T02:20:45.279-04:00A:
http://punamjr.blogspot.com/2010/09/babri-mosq...A: <br />http://punamjr.blogspot.com/2010/09/babri-mosque-and-simple-bloggers.html<br /><br />Since I don't know your name, I've just linked your about me section to your blog name. Hope it's okay.Punamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00794029561273711202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-35903741808533977772010-09-30T02:09:55.306-04:002010-09-30T02:09:55.306-04:00It is a very good suggestion.
People in general mi...It is a very good suggestion.<br />People in general might accept this.<br />Who would convince the politicians who have survival is dependent on divide and rule policy.We must accept that it is not the Hindu-Muslim problem.It is the problem of certain politician's who may not go down in the pages of history.BK Chowla,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03869011550287421537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-59103576261745514822010-09-30T01:12:38.805-04:002010-09-30T01:12:38.805-04:00Devie,
I am glad you brought up religious vs. non...Devie,<br /><br />I am glad you brought up religious vs. non religious aspect. I am actually reasonably religious. I thought about religious aspects a bit though I did not care to put in the post but I knew someone might ask.<br /><br />1.Per Hinduism, GOD is everywhere and in everything. God takes different forms and can be in humans too. Put an idol and start worshiping and the idol becomes GOD. That is the beauty of Hinduism. No mention anywhere that four Vedas say that this place is holy pilgrimage. So it does not have to be a place of Hindu pilgrimage either. Four Dhams (Badrinath, Puri, Dwarkha and Rameshwaram), Varanasi, Ganges river, Allahabad are more important than Aydoyha. <br /><br />2.Per Islam also you can worship GOD anywhere. Take a building and put a copy of Quran and you have a mosque. It is documented that Babar, who invaded India in 1526, constructed this Mosque here and hence the name Babri comes from. This place is not related to Prophet Muhammad either and it is not a holy pilgrimage for Muslims either.<br /><br />So from religious aspects, Muslims and Hindus have some reason to consider it a holy place but it is not like Mecca or Four Dhams. I could see fighting over it for 60 years in Independent India and many years prior to that if IT WAS MECCA OR FOUR DHAMS. It is not the holiest place for either religion. (On a side note, though Lord Rama is considered God but it is actually Vishnu who took the form of Rama. Even the concept of Dusera is completely different in Southern states.). <br /><br />So in my opinion even from religious perspective also, it is not worth the killings and fights for years.<br /><br />I picked up a hospital for a reason and ‘babies’ for a reason. Per Hinduism ‘Babies’ (and may be in Islam too) are forms of GOD and they are….pure, uncorrupted, clean in heart. <br /><br />Is not hospital helping a religious cause too?<br /><br />In all honesty, it is not an attempt to patronize religious people…what is happening does not make sense from religious perspective too.<br /><br />Chita, Charu,<br /><br />Thanks. I just hope our leaders will wake up and stop using religion as a tool to win elections and keep the problems alive forever.Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023510703283897521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-6250163102072578312010-09-30T01:07:27.822-04:002010-09-30T01:07:27.822-04:00interesting idea - a hospital or school for all wo...interesting idea - a hospital or school for all would be the best solution - but sadly, don't see that happening in India...Charuhttp://traveholic.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-52942674544895595322010-09-30T00:05:28.827-04:002010-09-30T00:05:28.827-04:00Great solution, I came up with it when I was 14 an...Great solution, I came up with it when I was 14 and possibly far more quixotic. <br /> This topic has fueled many dinner time conversations for me. All my not-so-religiously inclined family and friends almost always come to the conclusion that it is in everyone's best interest that some sort of public service building be built there. <br /> But try to think from an uber religious person's perspective for a while. The very people that have been fighting for their religious rights for years and years now. Building a hospital or a school or whatever building that seems so sound to us...isn't what they want for THEIR holy land. They believe it serves a purpose, maybe greater than that of saving human lives. What is "logical" to us isn't what is "logical" to them and vice versa. <br /> It's time to stop being so ethnocentric. What bothers me more than the fanaticism of the parties involved in this issue, is the ignorant, and sometimes condescending attitude of non-religious people that pass platitudes so frequently and easily.<br /> My rant isn't directed at you, but it is meant to offer a perspective on this issue that isn't hackneyed or driven by extreme self-righteousness.Deviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11759769602370396680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-68095767353706548392010-09-29T23:29:41.165-04:002010-09-29T23:29:41.165-04:00If any one would accept such solution,it would be ...If any one would accept such solution,it would be good for country. I have sent a silent prayer today that no untoward incidents must take place. Finally innocent lose their lives and the politicians just count their success by how much more rift they can create.chitrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11162975193030085486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-72938040241265280282010-09-29T19:30:00.431-04:002010-09-29T19:30:00.431-04:00Babli,
Thanks for the confidence of vote but it i...Babli,<br /><br />Thanks for the confidence of vote but it is very unlikely politicians will listen to such ideas. For them it is too simple and it will probably resolve the problem. Do they really want to solve it?<br /><br />Anonymous of Morrisville,<br /><br />I really like coming to this blog. We should catch up sometime. My home is on the border of Morrisville and Cary. <br />I agree Old Age Home would not solve the problem. But on the same time when people are really old and depend on others, they don’t care if the caregiver is Hindu or Muslim. But it is the best to start at root level to tune the mindset towards humanity – you said it very right.<br /><br />Punam,<br /><br />Thanks for the compliment and linking this post to your blog. You made my day. People on the top can think like this but they chose to ignore it.<br /><br />Bikramjit,<br /><br />Oh my god. You are full of surprises. Very good poem and perfect for this post. Appreciate the translation too. <br /><br />Raji,<br /><br />Thanks. I don’t know about the verdict but I wish they find a solution. Thanks for iota too.<br /><br />Anonymous,<br /><br />Thanks for ‘nicely said’. Yes in India we have freedom of speech. I completely agree. But our politicians seem to follow Gandhi’s rule of ‘speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil’…and they believe whatever people say is evil…so ignore it.<br /><br />Usha,<br /><br />Truthfully I am not sure space but I think it is around 60 acre of disputed area – in and around. Garden is a very good idea also.<br /><br />Tanvi,<br /><br />Thanks. Well said, we need places for compassion and care.<br /><br />NRIGirl,<br /><br />Thanks. Bikramjit has provided the translation. But in short the poem means that preachers of different religions say there is only on GOD and yet they show completely different paths to reach him. Which one to believe and which one not..for example in Hinduism in childhood one has to shave the head but on the same time SIKHS shall never cut hair. His point is let us all get together, drink and have fun…and people from religions are same when they have fun.Amrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023510703283897521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-52361523622442999162010-09-29T18:27:42.656-04:002010-09-29T18:27:42.656-04:00My translationas much as i could
Aisee peeni pi...My translationas much as i could <br /><br /><br />Aisee peeni piyo sajan ji loon loon tera nache<br />pee ke ladna te ladke marna eh gal mool na jache <br /><br />(Drink Like as if your whole body and soul is rich<br />But after drinking fighting nad dieing over it is not good)<br />jaa fer piyo Shaheeda waale Jaam watan de sache (Drink the JAAM as the martyrs drank , for there country and truth)<br />jaa fer pi masat malanga waali jehdi umar paran na lathe (Or drink like the Malangs.. Saint whose nasha doesnot come down all life)<br /><br />hindu kehenda mandir aa Mulla aakhe masjid aa (Hindu says come to a mandir, a Muslim says come to a masjid)<br />kehen isai raula pa sab to acha girija asthaan (Jew says come to his place)<br />jogi kehende kan padwa bhes wata te dhooni la (Jogi says pierce ur ears, and put on fire)<br />sadhu kehede bhagwe pa rukhi sukhi mangke kha (sadhu says put on orabge and beg for alms to eat )<br /><br />koi kehend waal wadha koi kehenda waal khata (some say grow your hair, some say get it cut)<br />jihne rab de khair khawa apni apani den salah (as many people of GOD, that many ways)<br />kuch kehend RAB IKO HAI (STIL THEY SAY GOD IS ONE)<br />kisnu hai kisdi parwah apno pane laude daa (WHo gives a damn about anyone)<br /><br />Sab dharaman de jhagde -na was tere Na was Mere <br />rab de peke sauhre khede tainu ki parwah <br />masti masti masti masti mana mehkhaniyaaaa<br /><br />sajna teri eho dawa ehno pee te hor manga <br />masti mana mehkhanaya<br /> (As many religiosns that many problems, forget about it all, come to the bar <br />get intoxicated and be carefree whats it to you)<br /><br />ithe hindu v hai ithe bhai v hai <br />ithe Mulla v hai isai v hai<br /> (Here a hindu comes, a sikh comes, a Muslim comes and all)<br />ithe zaat nahin - koi paat nahin (There is no caste or creed)<br />koi deen nahin - koi dharam nahin (no religion)<br />koi parda nahin koi sharam nahin (no curtains, and no shame )<br /><br />dildar tere ghamkhar tere (th people drinking with you are your sharers of grief)<br />mehkhar tere sab yaar tere<br />sab peer tere avtaar tere <br /> (all are your mates)<br /><br />SAB DHARAMAN DE BANDE AUNDE <br />MEHKHANE WHICH IK HO JAANDE <br />(Every religion man comes here, and Becomes ONE)<br />MAsti mana mehkhanaya<br /><br /><br />What say ...<br />Masti mana mehkhaniya<br />(Be carefree)Bikramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17320753339263375295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-21424266871697296692010-09-29T15:03:38.445-04:002010-09-29T15:03:38.445-04:00Now, @A or @Bikram! Can one of you Please translat...Now, @A or @Bikram! Can one of you Please translate Bikram's poem?! <br /><br />@A good solution indeed. Sorry, I was too excited about the new word I learnt (iota) that I actually forgot to comment on your post.<br /><br />@Stranger! Your comments make me think... Seems like a better solution.NRIGirlhttp://hephzibahisrael.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-1577184150448348852010-09-29T14:10:51.255-04:002010-09-29T14:10:51.255-04:00Why can't we think of making a museum there li...Why can't we think of making a museum there like Holocaust Museum where we can show the evidence of destruction, how many lives been lost on the name of religion, what is the existence of the human on this earth, what happens after death....We should try to feed some good lessons to our next generation so they don't make mistake again what we have done. <br /><br />Anonymous@ MorrisvilleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-80651229250133667032010-09-29T12:53:54.682-04:002010-09-29T12:53:54.682-04:00Couldn't agree with you more. It's a fabul...Couldn't agree with you more. It's a fabulous solution. We do not need more places of worship, we do need more places for compassion and care though! Hospital/School is just the right thing to do!Tanvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491567577469019680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-49041121484461611302010-09-29T12:18:32.126-04:002010-09-29T12:18:32.126-04:00Building Hospital is absolutely noble thought but ...Building Hospital is absolutely noble thought but can not be solution. I am not sure is there enough land to build hospital and even it gets built..terror minds will always plan to destroy it.<br /><br />In favor of Mandir or Masjid - riots can not be avoided. All must stand alert tomorrow and in future.<br /><br />I will say develop beautiful garden with lots of water fountains. I know this is just fairy tale wishing...reality will come forward tomorrow..keep praying...Ushahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088490681074977671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-10071121742483200002010-09-29T12:09:31.594-04:002010-09-29T12:09:31.594-04:00Nicely said..
Leaving the Politians and religious...Nicely said..<br /><br />Leaving the Politians and religious influences aside, we need to commend the country ( India) which is allowing the ideas to be heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-6261081307129324252010-09-29T11:02:29.746-04:002010-09-29T11:02:29.746-04:00@ bikram jith ..u have a nice poem there ..who is ...@ bikram jith ..u have a nice poem there ..who is the author?kisne likha he yeh?etna bhi mat daanto ji..!rajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095103429113436115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1397334331072386353.post-22135177436881301762010-09-29T11:00:26.318-04:002010-09-29T11:00:26.318-04:00@ A and " nri gal "iota is a nice word ....@ A and " nri gal "iota is a nice word ..even i learnt a new word.thanks.rajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095103429113436115noreply@blogger.com